Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Vegan Strip Club Opens in Portland

The first vegan strip club has opened in Portland. Casa Diablo serves all vegan food and is smoke-free. As this article says, "You won't find any meat at a new spot in Portland, but you will find a whole lot of flesh." Here's the video that was on the news.

The owner, Johnny Diablo, states, "My very sole purpose in life is to save as many creatures from pain and suffering as possible." Diablo was quoted as saying, "We put the meat on the pole, not on the plate." I think he said the worst possible thing he could have. He's using the PETA method by attempting to remove the objectification of one group by objectifying another.

The debate about the strip club appears to be heavily divided amongst the animal rights community. For example, there are now five pages of discussions on this thread on the Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness forums.

Here's an article titled, "The Sexual Politics of No Meat" on Feministing.com. Be sure to check out the opinions represented in the comments there as well.

What do you think? Is everything fair game in the name of animal liberation? Do you think the dancers are being objectified? I'd really like your opinions. Please feel free to comment on this post.

14 comments:

bestrixed said...

Tried to post a few times, hope this one goes through :^)

Just want to thank you, really, for posting your opinion. As a male vegan, you are rare. Your support is appreciated and crucial.

I find it beyond disappointing to know that this is even a "controversy" amongst those who claim to support the end to exploitation of animals. When it comes to the human animal, it seems the female gender doesn't rank.

The pool of truly ethical vegans is evaporating... or perhaps never was quite as full as I thought it was...

Nicki said...

I was really disgusted by the comments the owner of the club made on the news story. Why would anyone fight to prove that non-human animals are not meat by referring to women as meat? I am a vegan and a feminist, and I don't think those are in any way mutually exclusive. No one (four-legged or two) deserves to be treated as a piece of meat.

Anonymous said...

When you work for somebody else, you're selling your body 8 hours at a time. Many office workers develop cronic health problems and almost all industrial and construction workers will have at least 1 serious accident during their career!

Who's exploited more?

Meg said...

Thanks for the heads-up about the strip club. Not only do I think its an awful idea to continue objectifying women to promote veganism, which seems to be all the rage right now, PETA, skinny bitch, etc, but is also seems that moves like this will just lessen the amount of respect society has so grudgingly begun to give to vegans. Not that the animal rights movement should be overly concerned with how society views us but things like a vegan strip club kinda makes everything into a joke. With such a sexist and ridiculous slogan like "we put the meat on the pole not on the plate" how can we expect vegans to be taken seriously?

Billy said...

Thanks for your comments everyone.

I agree that the comments the owner made were very sexist and uncalled for. Wouldn't you think he'd try to cater to everyone and not turn a lot of people off? I don't know if the vegan strip club will fly in Portland.

It irks me when people objectify one group to promote another. We don't all need to focus on all causes, but we should remain supportive and sympathetic while working in our chosen areas.

Eric said...

I think, like PETA, Diablo was more concerned about controversy and attention than in doing the right thing. [Rumor alert:] Considering what I've heard about how he behaved toward women that have worked for him in the past, I'm not surprised by this development. This does nothing to help veganism and everything to turn Diablo's failure with Pirate's Tavern into a morbid curiosity that will have its 15 minutes of (gulp, national!) fame before also fizzling out.

Billy said...

Eric: Thanks for sharing. I think you're right. He'll have his 15 minutes and it'll shut down. I can't imagine many vegans wanting to support this place. And, I can't imagine non-vegans who frequent strip clubs choosing this one over others, aside from the novelty aspect.

Anonymous said...

Usually strip clubs are so awful and inhospitable for men who care about animals or their health. Wish I could support it... Veg girls are hotter!

Billy said...

Yes, it's too bad this place is serving up vegan food. I'd go for the food if it wasn't at a strip club.

everyday said...

really? you're all upset about this? i'm a 6 year vegan, 12 year vegetarian, and i think we've all got better things to worry about than a business that serves strictly vegan food and has naked women who come to work by choice. dead animals on your plate don't get to choose whether or not they end up there. the women dancing at this club do. maybe they are being exploited, maybe not, but in the end they can choose to go home and find another job if they don't like the one they've got...

i leave the judging of others and what they enjoy to the far right wing. This isn't Cambodia. these women can leave the sex industry behind if they so choose.

Billy said...

I don't have a problem with people choosing their line of work; however, I'm sure a number of people in those industries are economically forced into those positions. The cost of living is rising and it's hard to make ends meet.

So, not everyone can just quit working at a strip club and make enough working a minimum wage job.

Anonymous said...

Fuck all your sexist attitudes. Why can't people grow up and look at reality. You say "Vegan Woman are hotter," But no one is really looking at the real issue or even talking about it. Obviously strip clubs are fine, no one wants to be a fascist and say there is something wrong with sex. And if someone wants to sell vegan food at a strip clup, that's so much better than sercing meat. Obviously. If someone can influence society to not eat meat by opening a vegan strip club, that's better than it being another dive to feed the masses death. But that's not the issue. The issue isn't about exploiting grown people who can do what they want in the name of not hurting animals, it's about supporting a club that exploits something that is sacred to life, and I would never want to be involved in, I will never support, and obviously give money to, and I wish I could do something about. Go there website, maybe it's changed now, becuse this was a few weeks ago. But Why would someone want to give money to a person or club that posts pictures of children on there myspace page along with strippers. Why isn't anyone talking about that? What about children that have to live with being posted on myspace pages filled with pictures of woman selling themselves for sex. That's the problem. I think something should be done about it, and take a deeper look into the community than just complain about adults engaging in sex and supporting veganism.

peterlavetti said...

" . . . Or how about the stupid and degrading experience of a strip club or "adult entertainment" club ? The only difference between this and porno is that the women pretend to have sex with the man, all the while squeezing money out of him in a North American ritual that can only be described as voluntary mortification. Delusional, the man believes he is receiving something real. What is real is that he is being subconsciously humiliated. It's just a few steps from this and an S&M role-play. When I think of this and all the other games people play (phone sex, porn websites, adult chat rooms with their memberships, etc.) I think people are behaving in a sexually retarded manner. And even if there was an explanation given, I still wouldn't believe in it. To me, an encounter between people that is not face-to-face is not legitimate. They are fake money-making games I choose not to believe in. If it's not an real encounter between people who are really in the same room together, then it's bullshit." -- Peter Lavetti, artist and photographer

Odelia said...

Good words.